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 on: August 16, 2007, 02:46:07 PM 
Started by shirley - Last post by shirley
This club is my club- this club is your club- this club belongs to every single member. This is how I feel. I have not met all of the members of this club, I have spoken to a few via telephone and email. What a wonderful group of people.  This club needs all of these people.
      Mike and Peggy Casper where I purchased I bracco are wonderful people who you can tell really love and care about the breed. They have been incredibly helpful to me.
       Dan and Lane Conrad, Dan has gone to Italy several times, ( I  need to marry that man - only kidding Lane) and has meet Judges and breeders. The Conrads strive so hard to maintain the Italian standards, and have acquired so much knowledge.
      Theresa Young, when I mentioned to her that I was thinking of possibly traveling to Europe to obtain a puppy invited me to stay with her, and offered to travel with me. So wonderful and kind.
      Then there is Amanda, who in the world would not stand up and applaud this strong young women. She truly did take the bull by the horns, or the bracco by the ears to get things rolling. Through all her efforts you can see her passion for the Breed. I'm sure there are so many other dedicated people out there that I have yet to encounter.
      If we all reach out to each other in friendship, support and keep the lines of communication open, what a fantastic club we will have. We can agree or disagree, we are all adults and understand that agreeing to disagree is what makes the world and life interesting.
     What I am asking is please for the sake of this breed, the club and all the wonderful folks involved, is to work together, to inform all the members of what is going on, to ask for input, hold elections, make motions according to AKC and UKC rules of order and to have a great club, have fun and make so many new friends along the way.

Thank you for listening, this is just one more opinion..
Shirley Darnell
Temp. Sec. Only

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 on: August 11, 2007, 06:43:36 PM 
Started by Laneee - Last post by goofy
There is a very interesting article in the July/August 2007 issue of The Pointing Dog Journal" by the founder of NAVHDA, Sigbot "Bodo" Winterhelt.  He has left that organization.  Here is part of the article for those who are interested.  Other than this first paragraph - I have quoted, below, directly from the article in The Pointing Dog Journal.

"I founded the organization and spent forty years of my life developing and improving the system for one reason only, to test versatile hunting dogs.  That system worked well until NAVHDA decided to start a dog registry for versatile hunting dogs.  I was against this from the beginning.  I knew that all-breed registries do not help improve any breed.  They are just moneymakers.  Any dog can get a pedigree.  All-breed registries are just a slap in the face for all dedicated breeders.  And they open the door for puppy mills."

"All versatile hunting dog breeds were developed by their own breed clubs, who kept their own registry, wrote the rules, and lived by them.  Not one all-breed registry can point to the creation of a versatile hunting dog breed with the proud stamp 'made in America.'  But they sure multiplied dogs with a pedigree to the degree of uselessness."

"The NAVHDA testing, training, and judging programs are the best for North American versatile hunters and their dogs.  However, the rule to make it mandatory for a dog to be registered in the NAVHDA registry before the dog can be tested is absurd and against the rules that NAVHDA established when it first started.  In the introduction of the test rules it states, 'nor does NAVHDA desire to interfere in any way with the prerogatives and activities of any breed clubs.'  NAVHDA has no business deciding where a dog has to be registered as long as they are registered in a recognized breed club.  Breed clubs are dedicated to improving their breed through tailor-made tests and rules for evaluating the genetic qualities of their particular breed.  Through dedicated work, these clubs help to produce pure, dominant breeding material that will perpetuate some of the important genetic qualities that will produce reliable, outstanding versatile dogs with physical soundness." 

"I also do not like the importance that NAVHDA puts on the Invitational Test and the title of Versatile Champion.  The VC title has become the Holy Grail, and the air around it starts smelling of competition.  Now VC is not enough; the latest title is International VC.  Will it become the World Champion Global VC?  The test for VC is based on trained performance, not genetic qualities.  Trained performances are not perpetuated in future litters.   The uninformed read ads for litters from VC parents and buy a pup hoping to have a future VC.  Often they do not get the genetic qualities in their pup that they are looking for to produce a solid hunting dog."

"Now I am involved in a new versatile organization, The Versatile Hunting Dog Federation.  We do not believe that registration is more important than testing.  The VHDF celebrates and promotes hunting dogs and within that group specifically, versatile hunting dogs.  We are going to leave registration up to the breed clubs and we are dedicated to dog evaluation tests, education, and full support of breeders and the various breed clubs."

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 on: August 10, 2007, 05:43:16 PM 
Started by Laneee - Last post by sambracco
I thinkthat AKC recognition of the breed is needed in the future in order to continue strong healthy growth of the bracco. I dont ever want to see the bracco become super popular breed like the poodle because they are a special breed with unique needs. however the breed almost died out in the 40 and 50 in Europe. If the number of healthy dogs are not increased the bracco may become an endangered breed once again. luckly the numbers are growing at a reasonable healthy rate.  I love this breed, but it is not for everyone. As for owning a hunting dog and not ever hunting, I have no problem with this concept. I grew up with with a english/pointer mix,named Speckles. I never went hunting with him. My dad tried by alas Speckles was gun shy.  He was a wonderful gentle dog. I learned that certain hunting breeds make great pets, ie basset hounds, golden ret., labs etc. SOme hunting breeds are now being used for other purposes because of the qualities that make them great hunting ie intelligence, gentle nature etc  I prefer hunting dogs as pets and I will never hunt. I have no problem with individuals that hunt but for me it holds no interest. I may never be able to own another bracco but Iwill always own some type of hunting breed for a pet.

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 on: August 09, 2007, 08:05:49 PM 
Started by goofy - Last post by goofy
Received an email today and thought I'd pass along the info by posting the news here just in case some folks did not get the email.  The bracco is on the cover of Beretta's 2007 catalog! You can go view the cover by going to:

http://www.berettausa.com/

There is also a cute picture of a bracco (with terrible table manners  Grin) on page 28.


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 on: August 09, 2007, 06:06:26 PM 
Started by Administrator - Last post by Connie
I have some concerns here.  How can a club with temporary officers and limited (unknown numbers) membership, have already adopted a Constitution with bylaws in such a short period of time?  Usually, a committee of members drafts the proposed Constitution after research and discussion, the draft is put to a vote by the general membership, and a majority of the membership vote to adopt and ratify the Constitution as written.  This looks like a template of another club's Constitution, and may/may not address our particular needs.  I have specific concerns regarding inconsistencies in the document with respect to member voting.  It would have been nice to have been given the opportunity to participate in the draft discussion. 

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 on: August 08, 2007, 08:17:08 PM 
Started by Administrator - Last post by Administrator
Dixie already hunting well Grin

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 on: August 08, 2007, 05:45:51 PM 
Started by AmyFast - Last post by Laneee
We have heard from several of our puppy owners that their puppy had an allergic reaction to a vaccine.  This is not terribly unusual, but we are hearing it enough that it's important to note.  It's similar to a bee sting in symptoms - benedryl or something along that line stops it, but one should advise the veterinarian that this breed seems to be prone to the reaction.

Also, just wondering if there's been any word on bordatella (kennel cough) vaccinating - this is a vaccine we, as we have larger groups of dogs in our home frequently, require.

thanks so much for the vaccine info - this is one of the ways we hoped the forum would be useful!

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 on: August 08, 2007, 05:40:18 PM 
Started by AmyFast - Last post by Laneee
wow..... i'll echo my husband - REALLY well-written!

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 on: August 08, 2007, 04:13:35 PM 
Started by AmyFast - Last post by Administrator
well written thank you Amy   Grin

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 on: August 08, 2007, 10:37:32 AM 
Started by AmyFast - Last post by AmyFast
We can all agree that more venues where we can show the great temperament and hunting ability of the Bracco Italiano is not necessarily a negative prospect. However, I believe the timing of entering our breed into the AKC is crucial to the direction the breed takes in the United States.

I think it's important that there is a united front on the ideas of where this breed is going in the U.S. The only way we'll be able to maintain control is if the numbers of dogs stay relatively small and people who are breeding are careful about the intentions of their new owners' with the dogs.

Not everyone is going to follow the rules of a breed club, but the rules must be reasonable enough for most people to follow. If our breed does become AKC recognized, it is up to the club to keep the idea of the standard from becoming fractionalized and to keep the breed from becoming overbred.

We need to keep them "rare" to a certain extent. Otterhounds, Beauceron, Pharoah Hounds, the Neopolitain Mastiff and other rare breeds have become AKC recognized and stayed relatively small in numbers, thanks mostly to conscientious breeders and a club who is close knit enough to keep tabs on their membership. The question at this point is what do we gain from becoming an AKC recognized club and would those benefits be worth the vigilance necessary to keep the breed the way we want it ? I do not believe there are enough people in this country interested in the sanctity of the breed at the moment to amass the kind of brainpower it would take to control how the growth and public image of the breed plays out in the general pet-owning population.

AKC recognition should be used as a registry and as a way to enhance the ability of all Bracco Italiano owners to have their dogs judged and tested against an agreed upon standard. It should NOT be used as a way to propel the dog into a measure of popularity in order to further ones' personal ambitions as a breeder.  If a breed is more popular, the puppies are easier to place which is an invitation to breed a lot more frequently and carelessly. We have seen this cycle in Weimaraners repeatedly. At this point, there is only a tiny fraction of Weimaraners AKC registered who are bred by people who are also Weimaraner Club of America members.  This is not an ideal situation for such specialized dogs. Not only does that kind of popularization demean the gene pool, it also allows the dogs to have a poor reputation stemming from poor breeding.

The ultimate consequence of poor breeding practices in the United States will be that no Europeans will send us dogs or any quality or consequence for breeding purposes.  With that genetic dead-end in mind, people are left with a smaller gene pool. Concentration of closely related genes over time creates problems. I have line-bred my Weimaraners and am acutely aware of the rules of recessive expression of negative genes.  Genetically, you always need a place to find new genetics. Without out-crossing, problems, and lots of them, are evitable. Keeping good relations with European Bracco Italiano breeders should be of paramount importance in any decisions the BI club makes.

Entering the breed into the AKC at this juncture, in my opinion, would only serve the purpose of promoting the breed and encouraging people to breed the dogs, perhaps not responsibly.  AKC is not a non-profit organization. They encourage breeding because they make money on litter registrations and on individual dog registrations. They are a valid registration entity but they are not without their legislative and monetary ambitions.

AKC has repeatedly defended the right of puppy mill and high volume breeders to carry on business because they profit directly from those registrations. AKC has no vested interest in controlling breeding or the quality of breeds. It will be entirely upon the shoulders of the national Bracco Italiano breed club to steward the breed and clean up the messes other people make.

On the positive side, they also defend the individual breeders’ right not to be impeded by government or by animal rights activists, especially those who have hunting and hound breeds.  The amount of land available for hunting, hunt tests and field trials has been severely reduced over the last 30 years due to local and state regulations. AKC is in our court in preserving places for people to hunt with their dogs and preserve the traditions of hunting competition in the United States. While NAVHDA is an outstanding organization, they do not possess the same powers to lobby the government as AKC. They are a powerful ally and should be considered an asset in this regard, when the time is right.

Before we join the AKC, we should careful and thoughtfully grow our numbers into an intelligent and self sufficient club. Relying on AKC to be our “organization” at this point, I believe, would give up a lot of control we have over the direction of the breed in this country.  We should, as a club, be a force to be reckoned with instead of a fledgling organization with a lot of important decisions still undecided.




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